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How much is my piano worth?
(2) Is my antique upright worth restoring?
is the difference between repairing and restoring (rebuilding)?
is the difference between restored and used pianos?
(5) Is a new piano better than a used
(6) Our local piano store says that
our piano isn’t worth restoring; what do you think?
(7) We don’t live in California;
will shipping the piano to you be cost-prohibitive?
(8) How much does it cost to restore
our piano beyond repair?
(10) Are there standards
in the piano industry that rebuilders are held to?
it worth restoring or getting a piano for my child when he/she doesnt
know how to play yet?
(12) Where can I see a sample of
one of your pianos in use?
(13) If I ask you to find a piano
to restore for me, from where would you get it? Can I ask for a specific
brand name/style? And what are the price ranges for restored pianos
(1) How much is my piano worth?
Every piano is different. Some of the factors affecting
what a piano is worth are the brand, the type, the size, the color,
the age and the overall condition. With over 12,000 parts in a piano
it would be impossible to give even a general idea of worth without
physically looking at the piano. We suggest looking in a local phone
book under piano service and repair to find a technician
who can give you a written estimate.
Is my antique upright worth restoring?
See The Old, Upright Piano
(3) What is the
difference between repairing and restoring (rebuilding)?
See The Three Rs of Restoration: Repair, Reconditioning
(4) What is the difference
between restored and used pianos?
Of course, by definition, any piano that is not new is used. But what
differentiates classic restored pianos are their origins.
The piano was perfected roughly 100 years ago. The Golden Era of the
piano industry was the turn of the 20th Century. Before radio and television,
the piano was the centerpiece of the home. The children played, the
parents played and the grandparents played. The public was more discerning
about sound quality, and the pianos reflected that demand. Then, the
stockmarket crashed, the depression hit and the World Wars followed.
The subsequent generations played less and less piano. The morale of
the piano industry never really recovered.
In the 1960s the Japanese pianos came on the market. With their production
line approach they gained a strong foothold. Then in the 80s, with price
being the main concern, the Korean pianos started to appear. As with
anything built to fit a price point, the longevity of the Japanese-
and especially the Korean- and Chinese-made pianos are very limited.
So, in general terms, a used piano is around 40 years or less. What
you can expect is an American piano of questionable quality, or the
mass-produced Asian piano with a limited life.
The hand-built American pianos of the Golden Era are generally too old
to be viable in original condition. But it is these pianos -- fully
restored -- that are the best value in the piano industry.
Is a new piano better than a used piano?
(Please see the question above regarding restored and used pianos
for a brief history of pianos.) As time goes by, and fewer and
fewer people play instruments, the piano is looked upon as just another
piece of furniture. Today, it is not as important what a piano sounds
like than how it looks. Manufacturers
know this and cater to style rather than sound quality.
Japanese pianos used to be the entry level piano. Then it
was Korean. Now it is Chinese and Indonesian. If you spend less than
$10,000 on a new piano, you can bet the piano was built in China or
Indonesia. The majority of the case parts are either particle board
or compressed paper.
In terms of overall value, a restored piano is, hands-down, the best
Our local piano store says that our piano isn’t worth restoring;
what do you think?
be amazed at how many times that statement has been uttered; and how
many times they’ve been wrong. I believe there are two main reasons
for this. One is active and one is passive.
Actively, they have a vested interest in you not restoring your piano
and buying theirs. They are in business to sell pianos. Of course, the
scruples of the sales people vary widely; from omitting truths about
the potential of your piano, to down-right lying about their piano.
I would like to believe that the majority of sales people have scruples
and fall into the passive category. That is, they just don’t know
or understand the potential of the older American pianos. They mostly
see those pianos come in as trade-ins into their stores in original
condition. Old faded finishes, rusty strings, sticking keys, etc. Their
new pianos ARE in better shape than the vintage pianos IN THEIR UNRESTORED
CONDITION. However, there are very few production line pianos today
that can even hold a candle to a fully-restored American piano. It is
a shame how many families are denied the happiness that their family
heirloom can bring them.
We don’t live in California; will shipping the piano to you be
The short answer is, “no.” Even our most
comprehensive restorations end up costing less than the national average.
The biggest savings belong to people living in rural areas where the
tuners have no competition; although we are extremely competitive with
the urban areas as well. Please see “How much does
it cost to restore a piano?” (below) to get an idea
of pricing. Generally speaking, we can have a piano shipped one way
for less than $1,000.
(8) How much does it cost to restore a piano?
As you might expect, there is no one answer fits all to
With over 12,000 parts in a piano, obviously every piano will need varying
degrees of work. There are, however, answers that can be given for general
price ranges. The piano can be broken down into three basic areas of
restoration. The case, the strings and the
The case restoration usually includes refinishing the
case and bench. Structural repairs such as repairing or remanufacturing
case parts, repairing veneer, etc. are included in the refinishing;
and replating the piano hardware (hinges, pedals, screws, etc.). It
can be done in either the original wood grain, or the case can be ebonized.
The price is usually between 3-5K, depending on the extent of repairs,
the size of the piano, the ornateness of the case parts, etc. After
the lacquer is sprayed, a professional hand-rubbed satin finish is acheived.
If the price quote is less than 3K, you can bet that the hand-rubbing
is excluded. All of our refinishing is the hand-rubbed satin finish;
that is a critical final step in bringing out the full beauty of the
The strings are probably the least understood part of
the piano. Usually people assume that all their piano needs is a good
tuning. When a piano is sitting in your living room it is under
a tremendous amount of string tension. About 30,000 to 40,000 lbs! The
tuning pins that hold the strings in tune have an average life of about
60-70 years. After that, they start to lose their grip in the pinblock.
First, the piano needs to be tuned more than usual. After a while, however,
the tension renders the piano untunable at all. When your piano tuner
tightens the pins with his tuning hammer, the pins just slip back out
of tune again. The only remedy at that point is to replace the pinblock
and re-string, or re-string with bigger pins (depending on the condition
of the pinblock). When the tighter pins are driven into the pinblock
the piano can be tuned for another 70 years or so. A fringe benefit
of replacing the bass strings is a noticably fuller sound as well. If
there are cracks in the soundboard they are repaired before the new
strings are installed. It is generally a good idea to do the case and
strings together because the soundboard and plate can be done along
with the case. Restringing over a refinished plate and soundboard gives
it a comprehensive professional look. The price for the string area
can be 3-5K as well, depending on the extent of repair to the soundboard
The action is like to motor of the piano. It transfers
the energy from the players fingers to the strings. It literally
connects the player with the instrument. As in the example of a classic
automobile, if it was just a sunday driver all of its life,
only minor repair to the engine will be needed. On the contrary, if
it was a daily driver, the engine needs major restoration or replacement.
Its the same thing with a piano. If it had minimal use in its
lifetime, we could maintain the original parts, but if there were musicians
in the family, chances are we will need to replace parts. The top of
the action is where the hammers are. The hammers hit the strings and
thats what produces the sound. The rest of the action (keys, shanks,
wippens, bushings, felts, etc.) is critical to how the instrument feels
to the touch. That is an often overlooked point of consideration. It
is a combination of the sound and the feel that inspire (or dont
inspire) the player. There is nothing like the sound and feel of a new
Renner action! The cost of the action can run from several hundred to
thousands, again, depending on whats replaced, the condition of
the keyboard (ivories or plastics), etc.
Having said all of that, there are generally one of three directions
that people go. Either the full restoration route that would
entail all three areas for around 10-15K; refinishing, restringing and
minor work on the original action for 7-10K; or just touching up the
case, minor action regulation and restringing the piano to bring back
the tuning intergity for around 3-7K. The bottom line minimum is the
strings. Without exception, an original upright or grand piano from
the 1930s or older needs new strings.
Is our piano beyond repair?
In most cases, the piano is restorable. Water marks,
burn marks, broken parts, sun fading, weak legs, sticking notes, broken
strings, missing parts, etc. can all be restored. Water is a pianos
worst enemy. Minor water damage can be repaired; major water damage,
however generally cannot. If the entire piano was left outside exposed
to the elements for a prolonged period of time, its probably beyond
repair. If the piano has spent its life indoors, including in the garage
or storage, its probably restorable.
Are there standards in the piano industry that rebuilders
are held to?
Unfortunately, NO! Unlike most other industries (automobile, food, home
building, etc.) where there are standards or codes that must be followed
in order to ensure quality, the piano industry has none. There is a
Piano Technicians Guild that, to some extent, ensures competent piano
tuners, (however, you can become an associate member simply
by paying a fee, which alot of people do to get the PTG logo on thier
business cards). Anybody and everybody can call themselves rebuilders;
from weekend tuner hobbyists to piano dealers looking to increase their
bottom line. Whenever the job is farmed out to another person (which
is the case for both of the above mentioned parties), corners will be
cut. Keep in mind that there are over 12,000 parts in a piano (9,000
or so you cant see!), and EVERY STEP along the way the rebuilder
has opportunities to save money by using less expensive parts. I dont
mean to cast aspursions on anyone in particular; it is just a matter
of simple ecomonics. When your primary goal is the bottom line, the
less expensive way will always win. In summary, a golden era
hand-built grand or upright piano is not something you necessarily want
to give to the lowest bidder. At the risk of sounding self-serving,
our recommendation is to go with a company who uses the best parts,
has the most experience and restores pianos as their only profession.
Classic pianos were originally built with meticulous care, the least
we can do is use the same care and attention to detail in RE-building
(11) Is it worth restoring or getting a
piano for my child when he/she doesnt know how to play yet?
See The Value of Teaching Children to Play
(12) Where can I see a sample
of one of your pianos in use?
See the video clip of a Professional
Performance on a Grand American Piano
If I ask you to find a piano to restore for me, from where would you
get it? Can I ask for a specific brand name/style? And what are the
price ranges for restored pianos you procure?
-- We buy classic pianos from people who either trade their old classic
in for a restored one or from owners who do not want to restore their
-- Yes, you can request a classic American brand name and/or style and
we will gladly search for it.
-- Partially-restored pianos are a great alternative to mass-produced
new pianos. The prices range from $4,000 to $9,000. Fully-restored pianos
are a great alternative to Japanese, American and European new pianos.
The prices range from $10,000 to $50,000.
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